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[12:10:28] <hector@jones.dk> hey Siri
[12:10:35] <siri> hi
[12:10:39] <siri> :-)
[12:10:47] <siri> how are you?
[12:11:09] <jonas> beware that *all* chatrooms at conference.jones.dk is publicly logged - don't let that auto-generated name fool you
[12:11:34] <hector@jones.dk> I am a bot
[12:11:40] <hector@jones.dk> hello guys
[12:11:40] <siri> hehe
[12:11:43] <jonas> I am a ro
[12:11:51] <siri> I am Siri
[12:11:55] <hector@jones.dk> I saw the warning logging message on the topic
[12:12:10] <hector@jones.dk> anyway... how are you doing?
[12:12:13] <jonas> good
[12:12:15] <siri> fine
[12:12:18] <hector@jones.dk> siri: we are fine, back to spain
[12:12:26] <jonas> ...but us logging in later do not see that
[12:12:31] <hector@jones.dk> getting home refurbished so you can come to visit
[12:12:51] <siri> yes, I would like that
[12:13:12] <siri> when did you come back
[12:13:49] <hector@jones.dk> beginning of April
[12:14:27] <hector@jones.dk> he dont have a home in uk anymore
[12:14:54] <siri> ...but you still have work in UK
[12:14:57] <siri> '?
[12:15:04] <hector@jones.dk> yes, but now work from home
[12:15:11] <siri> like you wanted to
[12:15:12] <hector@jones.dk> like you
[12:15:16] <hector@jones.dk> yep
[12:15:40] <hector@jones.dk> uhm... so.. when can we plan a visit?
[12:15:59] <hector@jones.dk> jonas: are you going to NYC? right? and Nicaragua?
[12:16:04] <siri> we need the money first - let's see - 2014
[12:16:09] <siri> :-)
[12:16:26] <hector@jones.dk> no need money.. its all paid here
[12:16:28] <jonas> hector@jones.dk: I just returned from NYC
[12:16:38] <hector@jones.dk> you just need the cheapest plain to .es
[12:16:46] <jonas> been there for 2 weeks, staying at dkg
[12:16:49] <hector@jones.dk> jonas: ah! how was it?
[12:16:54] <jonas> great!
[12:17:04] <hector@jones.dk> how cool
[12:17:27] <jonas> I don't know how cool it was - they use fahrenjeit
[12:17:29] <hector@jones.dk> any progress on the freedombox front? I guess that was the reason of the visit
[12:17:48] <jonas> not really
[12:18:28] <hector@jones.dk> well, you got to talk to dkg, thats always interesting :)
[12:18:38] <jonas> Wall Street Journal organized a weekend "code-a-thon" about transparency, and granted me $500 to attend it
[12:18:51] <hector@jones.dk> siri: well, if you cannot/want to come over, then we need to plan a visit over there
[12:19:01] <jonas> I heard about the WSJ event at the feedombox list, but it wasn't related to it
[12:19:30] <hector@jones.dk> interesting WSJ interested on free SW
[12:20:04] <jonas> oh, but James Vasile was at the WSJ event, and he asked if if was interested in gatting paid to do Debian packaging of stuff needed for the the freedombox project ;-)
[12:20:46] <hector@jones.dk> really? and you said?
[12:20:54] <siri> hector: You are most welcome any time, and I would like to come to Spain, too. When is it most convenient for you?
[12:20:55] <jonas> I think it was some person interesting in both that passed on the WSJ info
[12:21:42] <hector@jones.dk> siri: august is great, we can enjoy beaches, but it might be too overheated for you
[12:22:01] <hector@jones.dk> jonas: so you got some work to do?
[12:22:32] <hector@jones.dk> siri: but june to september is fine, I mean anytime, when the cheapest fly
[12:22:49] <hector@jones.dk> at some point I need to plan with jonas about debconf trip
[12:23:10] <hector@jones.dk> well, I'd like to know some details on what are jonas plans for debconf
[12:24:16] <jonas> my plan is to either attend and extend my visit a couple of weeks, or not attend
[12:25:08] <siri> :-/ We are moving at some time during the summer, and we stil don't know when
[12:26:11] <jonas> hector@jones.dk: what airport is closest to where you live?
[12:26:18] <jonas> Barcelona, right?
[12:29:50] <jonas> siri: return ticket to Barcelona is DKK 1300-1700 per person
[12:31:04] <hector@jones.dk> how expensive is that?
[12:31:22] <hector@jones.dk> siri: where are you moving?
[12:31:42] <hector@jones.dk> jonas: I am in Valencia, but Barcelona or Madrid are fine, but 300km away
[12:32:54] <siri> It's okay. One tenth of what I earn every month. (I have relatively low income.) It's what I expected.
[12:33:07] <hector@jones.dk> from Barcelona, there is a train
[12:33:28] <hector@jones.dk> siri: ah, then you can come... hehe
[12:34:15] <siri> yes!
[12:35:17] <siri> but I always talk about money - let's just assume that itś possible
[12:35:23] <siri> it's
[12:35:30] <siri> not itś
[12:35:56] <siri> our new apartment is cheaper
[12:35:59] <siri> :-)
[12:36:54] <siri> (we are not sure which one yet, but we are looking at one in a house further down the road in the forest.)
[12:37:19] <siri> that would be easy
[12:37:43] <siri> and closer to Makvärket
[12:38:20] <hector@jones.dk> ah! you could rent one here by the beach
[12:38:27] <hector@jones.dk> with the crisis are really cheap
[12:38:39] <hector@jones.dk> around 300€/month
[12:40:06] <siri> It's not an option with my children still not fully grown. Alvilda is coming home for weekends. :-)
[12:41:46] <hector@jones.dk> yep, they could learn spanish
[12:41:55] <hector@jones.dk> and living la vida loca
[12:42:59] <hector@jones.dk> nah! I understand.. anyway, you can come to visit and have some time at beach and so on, they probably enjoy, jonas might not enjoy so much, too much time off the computer. He knows Extremadura already and how hot it was
[12:44:12] <siri> I'd like to bring them, if possible, one way or another, for a stay, long or short.
[12:44:37] <siri> in a tent in your garden, or a rented house :-)
[12:44:52] <siri> but maybe not this time
[12:45:35] <siri> depending on the possibilities in reality
[12:46:09] <siri> change of subject, how is Joel?
[12:47:05] <siri> (oh, I forgot: i have to go pick up Alvilda by the train. will return in 20 minutes)
[12:47:50] <hector@jones.dk> sorry, I am distracted fixing some machines, debian build daemons for armhf are broken
[12:48:10] <hector@jones.dk> yes, they can come too, we'll find a place for them
[12:48:22] <hector@jones.dk> or maybe you come visit and then come back with them
[12:48:35] <hector@jones.dk> Joel is growing!
[12:48:48] <hector@jones.dk> but he is doing great
[12:48:58] <hector@jones.dk> talk to you later
[12:49:10] <hector@jones.dk> Alvida, Alvida, vida vida vida
[13:17:26] <jonas> hi again
[13:31:35] <jonas> return flight per person: Madrid €96, Valencia €183, Barcelona €160
[13:58:02] <hector@jones.dk> uhm.. madrid is more convenient then
[13:58:14] <hector@jones.dk> there is a train from madrid to valencia
[13:58:52] <hector@jones.dk> you can get good offers booking in advance from webpage renfe.es
[14:06:00] <jonas> ok
[14:06:31] <jonas> and Siri claims Madrid is an exciting city to visit, so maybe spend some time there as well...
[14:12:19] <hector@jones.dk> nah, Barcelona rocks
[14:12:20] <hector@jones.dk> hehe
[14:12:33] <hector@jones.dk> oops, btw, found another d-shlibs isssue
[14:12:35] <hector@jones.dk> devlibs error: There is no package matching [ld-linux-armhf3-dev] and noone provides it, please report bug to d-shlibs maintainer
[14:12:49] <jonas> regional single-ride ticket is either €25 (regional) or €70 (alvia)
[14:12:59] <hector@jones.dk> armhf dinamic linker has changed name twice, that might need to be updated
[14:13:29] <jonas> so sounds like train ride (return!) will be almost as much as plain ride :-/
[14:13:52] <jonas> what is the three names?
[14:14:19] <hector@jones.dk> yes, train doubles the price
[14:14:39] <hector@jones.dk> train to Barcelona is 50€ (a return one)
[14:15:38] <jonas> sounds like the REGIONAL train
[14:16:14] <jonas> (I have no idea if that means nicer or more bulky ride than the other options)
[14:16:19] <hector@jones.dk> look at renfe.es and it even goes to Sagunto, my city
[14:16:26] <hector@jones.dk> its nice ride
[14:16:54] <hector@jones.dk> armhf linker, the later is /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3
[14:16:57] <jonas> thanks for reveiling (or reminding?) where we are going :-P
[14:17:50] <hector@jones.dk> the first one, but try to avoid as its same on armel (/lib/ld-linux.so.3)
[14:19:12] <hector@jones.dk> and the second one, multiarchified one /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ld-linux.so.3 => /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3
[14:25:53] <jonas> the package providing those libraries (in all those various forms) is build-essential, right?
[14:25:55] <hector@jones.dk> we keep /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ld-linux.so.3 for a while
[14:26:07] <hector@jones.dk> I think its eglibc postinst
[14:26:24] <hector@jones.dk> but according to Adam conrad we dont need d-shlibs patching
[14:27:15] <hector@jones.dk> re, when? we are planning home refurbishment
[14:27:29] <hector@jones.dk> but we have place for you in either place we are
[14:27:48] <hector@jones.dk> so, plan ahead, and let me know when its good timing for you
[14:27:57] <hector@jones.dk> then we can discuss
[14:28:57] <jonas> if build-essential then it needs catching but not distinguishing
[14:29:23] <jonas> timing is not the tricky part - money is :-/
[14:30:30] <jonas> how does the second one appear in objdump?
[14:30:38] <hector@jones.dk> # dpkg -S /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ld-linux.so.3
libc6: /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ld-linux.so.3
[14:31:37] <jonas> current regex may already cover it: s/ld-linux[23]-dev//
[14:33:08] <hector@jones.dk> no, its ld-linux-armhf.so.3
[14:33:29] <hector@jones.dk> can you remind me the objdump command I lost the backlog
[14:33:41] <jonas> d-shlips basically grabs stem and trailing number and stuffs -dev at the end, and checks if that is a package existing in Debian
[14:33:52] <jonas> objdump -p /usr/lib/libgd.so.2 |sed -n 's/^.*NEEDED *//p'
[14:34:06] <jonas> (replace the lib path to the one you want to inspect
[14:34:30] <hector@jones.dk> # objdump -p /usr/lib/libgd.so.2 |sed -n 's/^.*NEEDED*//p'
               libjpeg.so.8
               libfreetype.so.6
               libpng12.so.0
               libz.so.1
               libm.so.6
               libc.so.6
               ld-linux.so.3
[14:34:47] <hector@jones.dk> the problem is there are too many changes on dynlinker
[14:40:54] <hector@jones.dk> the error was: devlibs error: There is no package matching [ld-linux-armhf3-dev] and noone provides it,
[14:41:23] <hector@jones.dk> s/ld-linux[23]-dev// does not match it, right?
[14:41:49] <hector@jones.dk> maybe s/ld-linux.*[23]-dev//
[14:42:14] <siri> timing is an issue as well as money. The biggest issue for me right now.
[14:42:42] <hector@jones.dk> how is june for you?
[14:44:24] <siri> It's a school month.
[14:44:47] <siri> So a trip would be short (and maybe it will anyway)
[14:45:25] <siri> it's possible - depending on some (expected) money arriving
[14:46:54] <hector@jones.dk> july/august is more expensive
[14:46:57] <hector@jones.dk> maybe september?
[14:47:06] <hector@jones.dk> or october
[14:48:05] <siri> both are fine with me
[14:48:30] <siri> Then Alvilda is off for boarding school
[14:48:46] <siri> and we have moved
[14:51:33] <hector@jones.dk> then we can think on september/october, then discuss later
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