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[06:46:37] <[Doto VR]> hai jonas
[06:46:40] <[Doto VR]> how are you?
[06:47:21] <jonas> hi!
[06:47:25] <jonas> I am good
[06:47:36] <jonas> how are you?
[06:47:57] <[Doto VR]> i am fine
[06:48:59] <jonas> you want to play some more with boxer?
[06:49:56] <[Doto VR]> yes
[06:50:47] <jonas> try look at the example config file, and the Makefile
[06:51:28] <jonas> see the comments in the Makefile, and the syntax of how to set them in the example config file
[06:52:37] <jonas> one thing that is very good but also complicating with FreedomBox is that it does not need to run as root
[06:53:41] <jonas> in the end you want a system that is installed as root, and by default boxer create a system using fakeroot
[06:55:17] <jonas> I have not yet added the finishing step of copying the system, from the fakeroot environment onto a real-root environment
[06:55:54] <jonas> so I suggest that you configure your boxer to use sudo instead of fakeroot
[06:57:09] <jonas> try do that now: read those two files and figure out yourself what to put info the config (the actual config, not the example file) to change to use sudo
[06:57:57] <jonas> also, you can then also configure to always use your approx proxy (so that you do not need to include it on the commandline all the time)
[07:02:13] <[Doto VR]> Where do I start the configuration of
[07:04:11] <jonas> you mean how to create a new file? Or what do you mean?
[07:05:58] <[Doto VR]> no
[07:06:36] <[Doto VR]> i don't " jonas: try look at the example config file, and the Makefile jonas: see the comments in the Makefile, and the syntax of how to set them in the example config file "
[07:07:55] <jonas> you don't understand my sentence, or you do not understand how to do it?
[07:08:42] <jonas> try chat more
[07:08:44] <[Doto VR]> i am don't understand how to do it?
[07:08:56] <jonas> try write smaller sentences
[07:09:00] <jonas> ok
[07:10:02] <jonas> do you know how to look into a file?
[07:10:44] <[Doto VR]> i don't know
[07:11:27] <jonas> ok
[07:12:15] <jonas> Use Midnight Commander, and press F3 when on top of the file
[07:12:54] <jonas> or from the (plain non-mc) commandline, use less
[07:13:13] <jonas> the tool "less" might not be installed by default: aptitude install less
[07:13:18] <[Doto VR]> ok
[07:13:36] <jonas> then do: less the-name-of-a-file
[07:15:23] <[Doto VR]> ok
[07:15:30] <[Doto VR]> i see a Makefile
[07:17:03] <jonas> yes, then try look into that
[07:17:22] <[Doto VR]> ok
[07:18:58] <[Doto VR]> what should I do with after I see the contents of files
[07:20:58] <jonas> you should create (or edit, if you already created) your own config file, to a) use sudo instead of fakeroot, and b) use localhost URL instead of cdn.debian.net
[07:22:39] <jonas> if you feel lost about how to do it, then try write short sentences about what you think
[07:22:47] <jonas> what you are looking at
[07:22:55] <jonas> what you consider but is not sure about
[07:23:19] <jonas> help me follow where you are in your thoughts, by writing your thoughts to me
[07:23:30] <jonas> short sentences is better
[07:23:36] <jonas> easier to follow
[07:23:48] <jonas> many small sentences
[07:23:58] <jonas> that is why it is called "chat" :-)
[07:24:20] <jonas> write while you think, not after you think :-)
[07:25:07] <jonas> what do you think now?
[07:25:46] <[Doto VR]> i want to create file config
[07:25:52] <jonas> ok
[07:26:11] <jonas> you have an idea about what you want to write in that config file?
[07:26:39] <[Doto VR]> proxxy
[07:27:19] <jonas> did you find the place in the Makefile that was related to setting the proxy?
[07:28:20] <[Doto VR]> what this " export source ?= http://cdn.debian.net/debian "
[07:28:56] <jonas> that is exactly what you were looking for! You are good!
[07:29:10] <jonas> the tricky thing here is:
[07:29:25] <jonas> you should *not* write it in the same way in the config file
[07:29:46] <jonas> try find the similar information in the example config file
[07:29:53] <jonas> and compare
[07:30:29] <jonas> find out what is different in syntax - that is, in the the "writing style"
[07:31:22] <jonas> did you find the place in the example config file that looks like talking about similar things?
[07:34:03] <[Doto VR]> i am not found syntax "writing style"
[07:36:08] <jonas> sorry for the confusion: I only meant that syntax == writing style
[07:36:37] <jonas> I do not tell you any keywords that you can find inside the files
[07:36:52] <jonas> I want you to try yourself
[07:37:04] <jonas> look into the example config file
[07:37:38] <jonas> look there for things that maybe is the proxy setting
[07:37:58] <jonas> tell me what you think is the proxy setting
[07:38:09] <[Doto VR]> ok
[07:38:10] <[Doto VR]> I created the file in the subdirectory boxer "config" file contents and its "sources = http://cdn.debian.net/debian"
[07:38:38] <jonas> ok
[07:38:57] <jonas> what is the name of the file you created?
[07:39:11] <jonas> the filename
[07:39:33] <[Doto VR]> filename is "config"
[07:40:17] <jonas> ah, that is incorrect. The config file should be called config.mk
[07:40:30] <jonas> do you know how to rename a file?
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[07:46:16] <jonas> oh, I sincerely hope that I did not offend you :-(
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[07:52:44] <[Doto VR]> yes i do
[07:54:15] <[Doto VR]> after the config file rename. what the next step
[07:58:13] <[Doto VR]> ok, it does not offend me
[08:01:52] <jonas> ah, good
[08:02:01] <jonas> :-D
[08:02:45] <[Doto VR]> next step
[08:02:45] <jonas> you are right about the syntax, but it seems you just copied the line from the example config
[08:03:14] <[Doto VR]> oh
[08:03:16] <jonas> please compare the two lines, and tell me the difference in their syntax
[08:03:27] <jonas> right now do not edit the file
[08:03:31] <jonas> just chat with me :-)
[08:04:04] <jonas> I want to make sure you reflect
[08:04:53] <jonas> I want you to not just "do as I say" but try reason yourself
[08:05:02] <jonas> so, right now:
[08:05:07] <jonas> compare...
[08:05:17] <jonas> export source ?= http://cdn.debian.net/debian
[08:05:21] <jonas> ...with...
[08:05:32] <jonas> sources = http://cdn.debian.net/debian
[08:05:42] <jonas> ...and tell me the difference
[08:06:16] <jonas> (sorry if this feels silly - please try anyway)
[08:08:30] <[Doto VR]> yes the export source? = http://cdn.debian.net/debian with sources = http://cdn.debian.net/debian occurred earlier by my writing errors
[08:09:54] <jonas> what is the difference?
[08:12:09] <[Doto VR]> the difference may be the one to work 2 times or indirect and the other works directly to the URL
[08:13:07] <jonas> sorry, I do not understand
[08:13:20] <jonas> please try write shorter sentences
[08:13:30] <jonas> and instead more sentences
[08:13:33] <jonas> like this
[08:13:55] <jonas> short is good in chat :-)
[08:14:05] <[Doto VR]> between working directly and indirectly to the source
[08:14:23] <jonas> not understood
[08:14:52] <jonas> what do you mean with directly/indirectly?
[08:15:10] <jonas> try describe in different words
[08:16:18] <[Doto VR]> for export source? = http://cdn.debian.net/debian
[08:17:12] <[Doto VR]> work to the url with the help of application approx
[08:17:26] <[Doto VR]> for sources = http://cdn.debian.net/debian
[08:17:52] <[Doto VR]> working in the url
[08:18:17] <jonas> ah, I think I understand now what you are saying.
[08:18:50] <jonas> You are talking about what happens when changing from one to the other.
[08:18:57] <jonas> but my question was another:
[08:19:19] <[Doto VR]> oh
[08:19:20] <jonas> what is the difference between the two text strings?
[08:19:55] <jonas> one line contains "export" and "?" and the other does not
[08:20:25] <jonas> that is looking at syntax
[08:20:31] <jonas> you were looking at meaning
[08:20:53] <jonas> right now I want you to look at syntax
[08:21:08] <jonas> then afterwards we can look at meaning
[08:21:41] <jonas> ok?
[08:21:59] <[Doto VR]> ok
[08:24:00] <jonas> in the Makefile, the syntax is a little different from the config file
[08:24:41] <jonas> you can see in the Makefile what is the keyword you can set
[08:25:07] <jonas> in the comments in the Makefile I sometimes mention the possible values you can set
[08:25:34] <jonas> the example config file show the correct syntax to use
[08:26:04] <jonas> the example config file also contains example values and comments on what they do specifically
[08:26:21] <jonas> you need to combine that
[08:26:53] <jonas> you need to combine those hints about keywords and values and syntax
[08:27:05] <jonas> ...and write your own custom config file
[08:27:33] <jonas> tell me:
[08:27:46] <jonas> what does it mean when you add
[08:27:53] <jonas> sources = http://cdn.debian.net/debian
[08:28:03] <jonas> into your config file
[08:28:04] <jonas> ?
[08:28:24] <jonas> do you understand what it means?
[08:28:59] <[Doto VR]> for syntax sources is wrong my written
[08:29:52] <jonas> no, syntax is perfect!
[08:30:34] <jonas> oh, correction: actually there is one bug in your syntax also:
[08:30:47] <jonas> it should be "source" not "sources"
[08:31:07] <[Doto VR]> yes i see this bug
[08:31:18] <jonas> so you used wrong keyword - but the syntax (keyword = value) is correct
[08:31:40] <jonas> my question was not about syntax now - it was about meaning :-)
[08:31:48] <jonas> ok?
[08:32:14] <[Doto VR]> I do not know
[08:32:26] <jonas> how does it change the behaviour of boxer, that you now added that one line?
[08:32:45] <jonas> what do you think?
[08:32:52] <jonas> what do you expect?
[08:33:06] <jonas> (don't try, just think at tell me your thoughts)
[08:33:45] <[Doto VR]> oh
[08:34:25] <[Doto VR]> i think this to make speedup
[08:34:46] <jonas> ok
[08:34:57] <jonas> yes, we want to speedup
[08:35:24] <jonas> you have installed a proxy on your machine
[08:35:34] <jonas> we want to tell boxer to use that local proxy
[08:35:39] <jonas> but...
[08:35:53] <[Doto VR]> yes i have install approx
[08:35:56] <jonas> what you now told boxer was to use http://cdn.debian.net/debian
[08:36:07] <jonas> http://cdn.debian.net/debian is not your proxy
[08:36:46] <jonas> the keyword "source" means "where should boxer get the Debian packages?"
[08:37:17] <jonas> Makefile has one syntax, and config file has another syntax
[08:37:17] <[Doto VR]> aptitude
[08:37:37] <jonas> aptitude is a commandline tool
[08:37:47] <jonas> aptitude talks to APT
[08:37:54] <jonas> APT is the engine
[08:38:16] <jonas> the proxy "approx" also talks to APT
[08:38:48] <[Doto VR]> source=http://localhost:9999/debian
[08:39:02] <jonas> yes!
[08:39:29] <jonas> you do not need to remove the spaces around "=" but that is a minor detail
[08:39:58] <[Doto VR]> ok
[08:40:01] <jonas> it is just easier to read when you add a single space
[08:40:29] <jonas> on the commandline it is important to avoid space
[08:40:36] <jonas> commandline is bash
[08:40:44] <[Doto VR]> source = http://localhost:9999/debian
[08:40:46] <jonas> bash has a different syntax than make
[08:40:49] <jonas> yes
[08:40:52] <jonas> excellent
[08:41:21] <jonas> now try figure out how to use sudo instead of fakerot
[08:42:10] <[Doto VR]> su
[08:43:05] <jonas> please chat
[08:43:11] <[Doto VR]> super user
[08:43:16] <jonas> tell me your thoughts
[08:43:27] <jonas> more than a single word, please :-)
[08:43:41] <[Doto VR]> su
[08:43:42] <jonas> there is more in your mind than a single word ;-)
[08:44:50] <jonas> what is "su"?
[08:46:23] <jonas> (I know what su is, but I want you to write a sentence not a single word)
[08:46:37] <jonas> why do you write "su"?
[08:46:49] <jonas> what is the use of "su" here?
[08:50:35] <jonas> do you understand what I ask?
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[08:55:11] <jonas> hi again!
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[08:55:41] <jonas> unstable internet connection?
[08:56:13] <[Doto VR]> sorry, my internet connection unstale
[08:56:42] <jonas> no problem
[08:56:56] <jonas> I am still here :-D
[08:57:16] <[Doto VR]> i am not understand what you ask
[08:57:28] <jonas> oh
[08:57:50] <jonas> when I ask you a question,
[08:58:05] <jonas> then please try to answer with more than one word
[08:58:15] <jonas> example:
[08:58:28] <jonas> if I ask "what is 2 + 2?"
[08:58:35] <jonas> then the answer is 4
[08:58:37] <jonas> but
[08:59:04] <jonas> please answer "the sum of that is 4"
[08:59:19] <jonas> then I know that we are both talking about plus
[08:59:27] <jonas> when you answer "su"
[08:59:45] <jonas> then I do not know if you mean "I want to use su instead of sudo"
[09:00:11] <jonas> or perhaps you mean "if I write su in the config file then it will use sudo"
[09:00:26] <jonas> or perhaps you men something else
[09:00:51] <jonas> when you answer with a single word, then it is very easy to misunderstand
[09:01:08] <jonas> a word has many meanings
[09:01:16] <jonas> a sentence has fewer meanings
[09:01:26] <jonas> ok?
[09:02:02] <[Doto VR]> ok
[09:02:07] <[Doto VR]> oh, we're still talking about config.mk
[09:02:14] <jonas> yes
[09:02:29] <jonas> you meant something else?
[09:02:43] <jonas> when you wrote "su", what did you mean?
[09:03:13] <[Doto VR]> i think a commandline
[09:03:18] <jonas> ah
[09:03:33] <jonas> you meant how to become root from the commandline?
[09:03:56] <[Doto VR]> yes
[09:04:00] <jonas> ok
[09:04:09] <jonas> it is difficult for me to guess what you mean
[09:04:14] <jonas> I cannot read your mind :-)
[09:04:37] <[Doto VR]> oh
[09:04:57] <[Doto VR]> ok, i see in config example
[09:05:10] <[Doto VR]> # Less safe but nicer experience (faster initial boot on real hardware) su-do-helper = sudo
[09:05:20] <jonas> yes
[09:05:40] <jonas> :-)
[09:06:18] <jonas> do you know sudo?
[09:06:39] <[Doto VR]> yes
[09:06:52] <jonas> do you know how to setup sudo?
[09:07:10] <[Doto VR]> no
[09:07:14] <jonas> ok
[09:07:42] <jonas> first you should install it
[09:07:55] <jonas> the package name is also sudo
[09:08:10] <jonas> so how would you install it?
[09:08:48] <[Doto VR]> in commandline?
[09:09:00] <jonas> yes
[09:09:12] <[Doto VR]> aptitude install sudo
[09:09:12] <jonas> what command would you use to install it?
[09:09:19] <jonas> yes
[09:09:32] <jonas> please do it
[09:09:38] <jonas> run that command
[09:11:07] <[Doto VR]> on the machine where I do?
[09:12:03] <jonas> yes
[09:12:53] <[Doto VR]> I use the machine in which there subdirectory boxer
[09:14:19] <[Doto VR]> /home/aclynx/boxer
[09:15:09] <jonas> I do not understand?
[09:15:18] <jonas> I understand what you tell me
[09:15:28] <jonas> I do not understand why you tell me that
[09:15:52] <jonas> you should install sudo on your machine
[09:15:55] <jonas> ok?
[09:17:44] <[Doto VR]> yes, this package have install when i am install debian netins cd
[09:18:45] <jonas> ok
[09:18:56] <jonas> so you already have sudo. Good
[09:19:07] <jonas> ah, yes: you installed GNOME.
[09:19:13] <jonas> GNOME needs sudo
[09:19:26] <jonas> I use a different system - I do not use GNOME
[09:19:26] <[Doto VR]> yes, i use GNOME
[09:19:33] <[Doto VR]> oh
[09:19:37] <jonas> GNOME makes to computer too slow
[09:20:24] <[Doto VR]> yes, GNOME is make this computer slow
[09:20:30] <jonas> :-)
[09:20:50] <jonas> I suggested you to use XFCE or LXDE instead :-)
[09:21:24] <jonas> ok, so sudo is installed
[09:21:30] <[Doto VR]> yes, next time
[09:21:54] <jonas> you do not need to reinstall the whole system to change away from GNOME
[09:22:06] <jonas> ...but not now - later
[09:22:12] <[Doto VR]> ok
[09:22:49] <jonas> the standard configuration of sudo is different on Debian than on Ubuntu
[09:23:28] <jonas> on Ubuntu there is no root password
[09:23:30] <[Doto VR]> oh
[09:23:48] <jonas> on Ubuntu the first user also has access to root with sudo
[09:24:22] <jonas> on Debian you setup a root account with a root password
[09:24:53] <jonas> and when you install sudo it is not configured special for the first user
[09:25:00] <jonas> or maybe it is so
[09:25:09] <jonas> I do not use GNOME
[09:25:19] <jonas> so I don't know for certain
[09:25:29] <jonas> so let us check it out now:
[09:25:58] <jonas> check which groups you are member of
[09:26:08] <jonas> you do that with the command "groups"
[09:26:43] <jonas> try run that command now: groups
[09:26:51] <[Doto VR]> yes
[09:27:00] <jonas> ...and check if you have "sudo" as one of your groups
[09:27:59] <[Doto VR]> i see in groups no sudo but i have "aclynx cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev powerdev scanner"
[09:28:10] <jonas> ok
[09:28:27] <jonas> then I think you do not have access to use sudo
[09:28:30] <jonas> but try:
[09:28:40] <jonas> rung the command: sudo -i
[09:31:01] <[Doto VR]> It asks the root password
[09:31:21] <jonas> no
[09:31:27] <jonas> it asks YOUR password
[09:31:39] <jonas> that is a major difference between sudo and su
[09:32:14] <[Doto VR]> i see "aclynx is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[09:34:35] <jonas> yeah, you are not allowed
[09:34:51] <jonas> so you need to add yourself to the group sudo
[09:35:18] <jonas> you know how to add a user to a group?
[09:35:30] <[Doto VR]> no
[09:35:38] <jonas> hmm
[09:36:03] <[Doto VR]> :-)
[09:36:24] <jonas> you write on Facebook that you are a Linux system administrator
[09:37:03] <jonas> do you know how to become root?
[09:39:28] <[Doto VR]> oh
[09:41:01] <[Doto VR]> adduser at admin
[09:43:08] <jonas> yes, that is how you add a use to a group
[09:43:21] <jonas> so add yourself to the group "sudo"
[09:45:41] <jonas> ok?
[09:47:08] <[Doto VR]> ok
[09:48:26] <jonas> then try again: sudo -i
[09:48:48] <[Doto VR]> yes i add myself to the group "sudo" ( sudo gedit /etc/sudoers )
[09:49:00] <[Doto VR]> in the line root
[09:49:51] <[Doto VR]> sudo -i success
[09:51:18] <jonas> good!
[09:51:42] <jonas> now try using your custom configured boxer:
[09:51:56] <jonas> make clean
[09:52:00] <jonas> make
[09:53:15] <[Doto VR]> ok
[09:53:22] <[Doto VR]> this is work
[09:53:33] <jonas> eeeexcellent!
[09:54:13] <[Doto VR]> thank's
[09:55:02] <jonas> the resulting targetroot dir you can copy onto a usb stick
[09:55:03] <jonas> but
[09:55:13] <jonas> it will not work just like that
[09:55:28] <jonas> you also need to add a kernel, and a bootloader
[09:55:51] <jonas> kernel and boot loading can be done many different ways
[09:56:04] <jonas> FreedomBox need to do it one way
[09:56:22] <jonas> for USB stick on Intel hardware you need to do it another way
[09:57:22] <jonas> when I played with USB booting some years ago, I used the tool makebootfat
[09:58:03] <jonas> makebootfat use the bootloader syslinux
[09:58:17] <jonas> you can also try install GRUB
[09:58:28] <jonas> but GRUB is more complex to setup
[09:58:56] <jonas> booting is one thing
[09:59:01] <jonas> another is:
[09:59:05] <jonas> customixing"
[09:59:09] <jonas> customizing!
[09:59:26] <jonas> you do not want to install a simple system
[09:59:40] <jonas> you want something unique
[09:59:55] <jonas> you want Malaysian language by default
[10:00:05] <jonas> maybe you want to include mc by default :-)
[10:00:19] <jonas> right?
[10:00:33] <[Doto VR]> yes
[10:01:02] <jonas> so let us try the task of adding mc to the boxer tool
[10:01:31] <jonas> you remember example 1?
[10:01:44] <jonas> you ran this command: bin/boxerenclass ipv4ll webchat
[10:01:54] <jonas> you remember?
[10:02:06] <[Doto VR]> yes
[10:03:19] <jonas> "ipv4all" and "webchat" is classes
[10:04:03] <jonas> a class can contain some packages, and it can contain som custom configuration
[10:04:23] <jonas> look below the dir "tweaks"
[10:04:52] <jonas> in tweaks/package_config there is classes with packages
[10:06:21] <jonas> you should create a new task file, and inside that you should add mc as a package you want installed
[10:06:30] <jonas> ok?
[10:11:41] <jonas> are you there?
[10:17:29] <[Doto VR]> yes i stiil
[10:17:53] <[Doto VR]> i am still
[10:18:51] <[Doto VR]> i am create new fil and i am add mc in this file
[10:19:25] <jonas> ok
[10:19:36] <jonas> then activate your new class
[10:21:07] <[Doto VR]> what i have activate?
[10:22:11] <jonas> what is the name of your new class?
[10:22:17] <[Doto VR]> bin/boxerenclass ipv4ll webchat mc
[10:22:23] <jonas> oh
[10:22:37] <jonas> "mc" is a bad name for a class
[10:22:44] <[Doto VR]> new class is name mc
[10:22:51] <[Doto VR]> oh
[10:22:58] <jonas> on a normal system you will install maybe 1000 packages
[10:23:14] <jonas> you do not want 1000 classes - you want to have a few groups
[10:23:15] <[Doto VR]> oh
[10:23:42] <jonas> one class could be console
[10:23:50] <jonas> or ncurses
[10:24:24] <jonas> ncurses is a toolkit for fullscreen console programs
[10:24:30] <jonas> mc uses ncurses
[10:25:45] <[Doto VR]> i have error when i try "make"
[10:25:48] <[Doto VR]> I: Tidying up apt cache and list data. I: Tidying up apt cache and list data.  Multistrap system installed successfully in /home/aclynx/boxer/targetroot/.  # Unpacking kernel modules (if available) /usr/bin/sudo -- mkdir -p '/home/aclynx/boxer/targetroot/lib/modules/' # Creating basic device nodes /usr/bin/sudo -- mknod /home/aclynx/boxer/targetroot/dev/console c 5 1 /usr/bin/sudo -- mknod /home/aclynx/boxer/targetroot/dev/random c 1 8 /usr/bin/sudo -- mknod /home/aclynx/boxer/targetroot/dev/urandom c 1 9 /usr/bin/sudo -- mknod /home/aclynx/boxer/targetroot/dev/null c 1 3 mknod: `/home/aclynx/boxer/targetroot/dev/null': File exists make[1]: *** [stamp-build] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/aclynx/boxer/multistrap' make: *** [stamp-build-multistrap] Error 2
[10:27:08] <jonas> the error is "file exists"
[10:27:21] <jonas> did you first run "make clean"?
[10:27:28] <[Doto VR]> yes
[10:27:36] <jonas> hmm
[10:28:36] <jonas> did the targetroot dir get removed when running "make clean"?
[10:29:10] <[Doto VR]> no
[10:29:39] <[Doto VR]> i will try again to make clean & make
[10:31:26] <[Doto VR]> ok, thank you for today, I must left the chat
[10:31:27] <[Doto VR]> bye
[10:31:34] [Doto VR] leaves the room
[16:54:42] <nagzilla> end
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[22:01:11] jonas leaves the room
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