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[07:14:15] <muhammad@jones.dk> jones !
[07:14:39] <muhammad@jones.dk> how to protect my debian from arp spoofing
[07:15:50] <jonas> try search for it
[07:16:25] <jonas> I recommend duckduckgo.com instead of google
[07:18:56] <muhammad@jones.dk> i have change ip but attacker spoofing ip gatewat with net cut ...
[07:22:08] <jonas> sounds like you need to protect your _gateway_ against spoofing, not your linux host
[07:22:45] <jonas> do you use Debian as gateway router?
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[07:29:09] <muhammad@jones.dk> no i am user on router ...
[07:30:12] <muhammad@jones.dk> no admin ...
[07:30:39] <muhammad@jones.dk> so a people spoofing on gateway ....
[07:32:02] <muhammad@jones.dk> because attacker spoofing ip gateway ..
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[07:45:45] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> hi Jonas
[07:46:15] <jonas> hi
[07:47:15] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> now i am play boxer
[07:47:45] <jonas> you succeeded get it to boot?
[07:48:11] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> no
[07:48:19] <jonas> :-(
[07:48:25] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> but this problem aptitude not found
[07:48:59] <jonas> same problem again?
[07:49:08] <jonas> also with new install?
[07:49:55] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> yes
[07:50:00] <jonas> :-(
[07:50:03] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> when I run make, I see the Recommended files: apt-utils, but is not installed
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[07:50:34] <jonas> apt-get is not part of apt-utils
[07:50:45] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> oh
[07:51:20] <jonas> to find out what package a file belong, use this: dpkg -S /the/full/path/to/the/file
[07:52:07] <jonas> you can resolve the full path of a command with "which"
[07:52:36] <jonas> so for commands, this works: dpkg -S $(which name-of-command)
[07:57:42] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> dpkg -S aptitude
dpkg: *aptitude* not found.
[08:00:37] <jonas> no, you got it wrong
[08:01:04] <jonas> you want a command, so you want to install to package that contains that command
[08:01:21] <jonas> so you want to learn what package contains the command
[08:01:46] <jonas> you already know that the command does not exist at the new system
[08:02:14] <jonas> so you cannot learn the apckage name of the command on that new system
[08:02:29] <jonas> you need to learn that on a fully working system
[08:04:48] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> oh, so I'm going to do now?
[08:10:06] <jonas> do what?
[08:11:01] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> in terms of dpkg -S
[08:12:52] <jonas> do what you want
[08:13:00] <jonas> do it now if you want
[08:14:05] <jonas> this is not a school - I try guide you but I do not instruct you specifically what to do - you explore in your own pace, so you decide when to do what
[08:15:23] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> oh
[08:15:25] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> example: dpkg-S $ aptitude
this is true or false?
[08:15:54] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> or dpkg -S $aptitude
[08:17:26] <jonas> false
[08:17:49] <jonas> dpkg -S $(which aptitude)
[08:18:13] <jonas> $() is command-inside-command in bash
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[08:21:52] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> do i have to make. bashrc
[08:27:12] <jonas> I do not understand why you ask
[08:28:33] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> oh
[08:32:03] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> because I do not see any bashrc file in your home? or or bashrc file will add the user made ​​his own time
[08:32:26] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> because I do not see any bashrc file in (home)? or or bashrc file will add the user made ​​his own time
[08:32:54] <jonas> .bashrc is optional
[08:33:15] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> oh
[08:39:34] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> this list files when i am run make :
The following extra packages will be installed:
  adduser apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common gnupg gpgv insserv
  isc-dhcp-common libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap
  libbz2-1.0 libcap2 libdaemon0 libdb4.7 libdb4.8 libexpat1 libgcrypt11
  libgdbm3 libgnutls26 libgpg-error0 libidn11 libjs-debugger libjs-jac
  libjs-xmlextras libldap-2.4-2 liblua5.1-0 liblua5.1-expat0
  liblua5.1-filesystem0 liblua5.1-socket2 libmagic1 libncursesw5 libpcre3
  libreadline6 libsasl2-2 libslang2 libsqlite3-0 libssl0.9.8 libtasn1-3
  libudev0 libusb-0.1-4 lua5.1 mime-support openssl perl perl-modules procps
  readline-common ucf
Suggested packages:
  www-browser apache2-doc apache2-suexec apache2-suexec-custom bash-doc
  debconf-doc debconf-utils whiptail dialog gnome-utils
  libterm-readline-gnu-perl libgnome2-perl libnet-ldap-perl libqtgui4-perl
  libqtcore4-perl diffutils-doc wdiff apt gpart parted e2fsck-static mlocate
  locate slocate gnupg-doc xloadimage imagemagick eog libpcsclite1 less
  dhcp3-client dhcp-client ppp bootchart iproute-doc glibc-doc locales
  rng-tools gnutls-bin file libpam-doc nfs-common ca-certificates perl-doc
  make rsyslog-mysql rsyslog-pgsql rsyslog-doc rsyslog-gnutls rsyslog-gssapi
  rsyslog-relp sysv-rc-conf bum sash bzip2 ncompress util-linux-locales kbd
  console-tools dosfstools xz-lzma
Recommended packages:
  ssl-cert bash-completion bsdmainutils apt-utils gnupg-curl psmisc libatm1
  ejabberd libc6-i686 javascript-common libgpm2 libsasl2-modules libpng12-0
  uuid-runtime liblua5.1-sec1 liblua5.1-event0 logrotate usbutils pciutils
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  adduser apache2-mpm-worker apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common
  avahi-autoipd base-files base-passwd bash bsdutils coreutils dash debconf
  debconf-i18n debian-archive-keyring debianutils diffutils dpkg e2fslibs
  e2fsprogs findutils gcc-4.4-base gnupg gpgv grep gzip hostname ifupdown
  initscripts insserv iproute isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common jwchat libacl1
  libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap libattr1
  libblkid1 libbz2-1.0 libc-bin libc6 libcap2 libcomerr2 libdaemon0 libdb4.7
  libdb4.8 libexpat1 libgcc1 libgcrypt11 libgdbm3 libgnutls26 libgpg-error0
  libidn11 libjs-debugger libjs-jac libjs-xmlextras libldap-2.4-2
  liblocale-gettext-perl liblua5.1-0 liblua5.1-expat0 liblua5.1-filesystem0
  liblua5.1-socket2 liblzma2 libmagic1 libncurses5 libncursesw5 libpam-modules
  libpam-runtime libpam0g libpcre3 libreadline6 libsasl2-2 libselinux1
  libsepol1 libslang2 libsqlite3-0 libss2 libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libtasn1-3
  libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl libudev0
  libusb-0.1-4 libuuid1 login lsb-base lua5.1 mawk mime-support
  module-init-tools mount ncurses-base ncurses-bin net-tools netbase openssl
  passwd perl perl-base perl-modules procps prosody readline-common resolvconf
  rsyslog sed sensible-utils sysv-rc sysvinit sysvinit-utils tar tzdata ucf
  udev util-linux wget xz-utils zlib1g
0 upgraded, 123 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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After this operation, 163 MB of additional disk space will be used.
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
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  debianutils libbz2-1.0 libselinux1 zlib1g libattr1 libacl1 coreutils
  liblzma2 xz-utils dpkg dash libncurses5 bash diffutils e2fslibs perl-base
  liblocale-gettext-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-charwidth-perl
  libtext-wrapi18n-perl debconf debconf-i18n libpam0g libdb4.8 libpam-modules
  passwd libuuid1 libblkid1 libcomerr2 libss2 sed ncurses-bin lsb-base tzdata
  libsepol1 mount sysvinit-utils insserv sysv-rc initscripts libslang2
  util-linux e2fsprogs findutils grep gzip hostname libpam-runtime login
  sysvinit tar base-passwd bsdutils ncurses-base libusb-0.1-4 libudev0 udev
  adduser readline-common libreadline6 gpgv gnupg debian-archive-keyring
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  mime-support perl-modules perl ucf libapr1 libexpat1 libaprutil1
  libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3 libaprutil1-ldap apache2.2-bin apache2-utils
  apache2.2-common apache2-mpm-worker libdaemon0 avahi-autoipd libjs-jac
  libjs-xmlextras libjs-debugger jwchat liblua5.1-0 liblua5.1-expat0
  liblua5.1-filesystem0 liblua5.1-socket2 lua5.1 openssl resolvconf prosody
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[08:44:36] <jonas> it is bad style to paste multiple lines into a live chat!
[08:44:40] <jonas> don't do that
[08:44:49] <jonas> (but also don't be sorry!)
[08:44:52] <jonas> :-)
[08:44:58] <jonas> just don't do it :-)
[08:45:01] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok :)
[08:46:12] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> if when running make, file aptitude or apt-get will include installed
[08:48:16] <jonas> you need to first understand what is the package that contains the commands you need
[08:50:56] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> how to include aptitude or apt-get when run the make?
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[08:52:38] <jonas> first find out the needed package names!
[09:07:54] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> example: i will install aptitude in my boxer (removable disk), how it this?
[09:09:17] <jonas> look below tweaks/package_config
[09:10:15] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok
[09:11:14] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> i see list of files ARMEL, DEFAULT, DEVEL, HTTP, IPV4LL, IRC, SSH, XMPP
[09:11:29] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> then
[09:17:17] <jonas> yes?
[09:19:18] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> if I create a file aptitude. like IPV4LL
[09:26:10] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> jonas: thank this work now
[09:26:19] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> aptitude is include
[09:26:27] <jonas> good!
[09:26:59] <jonas> also include linux-image
[09:27:57] <jonas> example: if your target arch is amd64, then install linux-image-amd64
[09:28:56] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok, i will try now to include linux-image-i386
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[09:51:13] <muhammad@jones.dk> http://muhammad.jones.dk/
[09:54:35] <jonas> muhammad@jones.dk: nice!
[09:54:42] <jonas> ...but still not using css :-(
[09:55:42] <jonas> I liked the picture of you!
[09:55:59] <jonas> please please start use css
[09:56:03] <jonas> :-)
[10:00:20] <muhammad@jones.dk> yes thank ...
[10:01:57] <jonas> muhammad@jones.dk: try mimic what Siri did at http://siri.jones.dk/
[10:02:27] <jonas> when you succeed with the basics of a separate css file, you can start do amazing things with css!
[10:02:44] <jonas> I want to help you play with cool css things!
[10:06:58] <muhammad@jones.dk> yes .... thank you .
[10:07:26] <muhammad@jones.dk> i have friends expert in css i want to study with her .. interface ...
[10:10:11] <jonas> I have an ace up my sleeve
[10:10:46] <jonas> sounds great that you have someone to work with on css!
[10:10:59] <jonas> I have a css trick to show you
[10:11:06] <jonas> both of you
[10:11:21] <jonas> but start use css first, then I show you my trick
[10:12:35] <muhammad@jones.dk> oke ...
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[10:20:34] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> jonas: ok, this now ready linux-image to my removable disk
[10:20:52] <jonas> good
[10:21:25] <jonas> then try apply extlinux to the same media, and see if it boots
[10:21:50] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok
[10:31:31] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> what this, Use dash as the default system shell (/bin/sh)?
[10:32:10] <jonas> try search for it!
[10:32:19] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok
[10:32:28] <jonas> I recommend to use duckduckgo.com instead of Google for web searching!
[10:32:43] <jonas> I recommend to avoid Google most possible!
[10:35:43] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> yes
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[14:36:20] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> Hi Jonas
[14:36:27] <jonas> hi
[14:36:52] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> can you help me?
[14:37:15] <jonas> I don't know
[14:37:30] <jonas> if you tell me what is your problem, it is easier for me to judge :-)
[14:37:41] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok
[14:37:56] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> this my problem : locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[14:38:33] <jonas> what is your LOCALE?
[14:38:38] <jonas> or LANG
[14:39:03] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> id_ID.UTF-8
[14:39:04] <jonas> what system is it? Debian?
[14:39:21] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> is boxer in my removable disk
[14:39:23] <jonas> ah
[14:39:56] <jonas> you need to install package locales and configure it to generate indonesian
[14:40:46] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> yes, i am edit locale.gen and run locale-gen
[14:41:33] <jonas> this is better: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[14:41:41] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok
[15:06:33] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok
[15:06:40] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> this clear
[15:07:35] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> for install extlinux in my machine (primary) or my removable disk
[15:08:40] <jonas> was that a question, or are you just telling me what you are doing?
[15:09:56] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> where i install extlinux?
[15:12:12] <jonas> similar to a formatting tool, extlinux is a tool you apply to the device from outside
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[15:27:59] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> great
[15:28:38] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> now work to boot
[15:28:48] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> jonas: thank
[15:43:53] <jonas> yeah!
[15:43:55] <jonas> cool!
[15:46:05] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> next time i will to modification this boxer (debian) in my removable disk to Linux From Aceh
[15:46:15] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> what your idea?
[15:46:55] <jonas> you mean what I suggest that you do?
[15:47:13] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> jonas: yes, please suggest me!
[15:47:35] <jonas> I suggest you select some packages you want installed
[15:48:42] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> do I have to choose packages from source code
[15:49:06] <jonas> and maybe some customizations to files below /etc - but try to avoid that as much as possible
[15:49:56] <jonas> no! no building packages from source - only pure Debian binary packages
[15:50:03] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok
[15:50:21] <jonas> if you need something that is missing in Debian then let us look at putting into Debian!
[15:50:49] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> oh
[15:51:16] <jonas> you can (together with me) maintain packages officially in Debian!
[15:52:54] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> yes I do
[15:53:16] <jonas> you do what? You want to maintain some new packages officially for Debian?
[15:54:21] <jonas> I recommend to first try use only existing Debian packages
[15:56:36] <mahyuddin@jones.dk> ok
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[22:57:06] <muhammad@jones.dk> hi jones !
[22:58:17] <jonas> hi
[23:04:38] <muhammad@jones.dk> how do you think about ubuntu ?
[23:24:27] <jonas> I do not use it myself
[23:25:11] <jonas> I do not want to try help anyone with problems using it (I have tried a few times and every time was frustrated about it)
[23:25:45] <jonas> I guess it is ok for people who do not want to hack on it, but just use it as-is
[23:26:24] <jonas> I want to encourage hacking, so I do not recommend Ubuntu for anyone that I keep contact with
[23:27:17] <jonas> I sometimes suggest Ubuntu to people I meet randomly on the street, who ask what system they should try out if yhey want no problems and also are not interested in exploring
[23:27:53] <jonas> I will go to bed now
[23:28:01] <jonas> Good night, Muhammad!
[23:43:28] <muhammad@jones.dk> oke ....
[23:43:44] <muhammad@jones.dk> thank with your idea for me ...
[23:44:00] <muhammad@jones.dk> good night ...
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